To: 雁渡寒潭 

寡无欲

Talk about foreigners view on Chinese people

以下是引用寡无欲在2003-8-23 1:14:00的发言：
It is ture that some foreigners do not know China at all, but, to be frank,
I do not  meet  anyone who is the same as your friend discribed.

For example, I lived in an English family several days ago, in fact, I lived there for
approximately two months.I do not think they know nothing about China, on the contrary, they know a lot of things, especially about our big population.   (Everybody in the world knows this. )  They had a lot of things which are made by China, such as their children's  toys. They know that along with the development of the economy in  China, people's life are becoming better and better. As a result, many  students go abroad for studying. They know as well that it is very expensive for
these students to study in London. So, they do not think China is poor.

Although this is just one of very common English families, you still can know that  nobody has negative emotion to Chinese people. If you are active and have postive relationship with others,  certainly, other people will treat you very well.

以下是引用雁渡寒潭在2003-8-23 15:39:00的发言：
真是废话。这样下结论缺乏逻辑。

一个样本能代表什么？什么是了解？这里面有个度的概念。

你自己对英国的了解又有多少呢？即使你现在身处英国。

雁渡寒潭
From your tone, it seems that you can know more about British than me, even if you are not in the UK.

It is true, someone are not qualified to study at university, but they think that they can learn more knowlege in society than those who are studying at university.  I agree with this statement entirely. I do not think someone who are graduated from university, must have more competence than those who do not have advanced educational background. However, the question is that why the diploma is still very important for a man's future.  Why you cannot get offer without any diploma from a foreign university with good reputation

Generally speaking, the reason is that, students who study at university have more opportunities to learn more than others. What do you think? (In other words, maybe I have more chances to know more than you about foreigner's view. Of course, I do not think my opoint of view is correct, so you are welcomed to have a future discussion with me, if you are interested)

Please give us some logical conclusion about your standpoint, if you are not satisfied with what I stated before.

In fact, I am interested in your opinions about foreigner's view on Chinese people. It is always a significant topic among Chinese people

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雁渡寒潭

寡无欲：

也许是我的英语水平不够，看你的这些英文真得很累。所以我小心翼翼的问一句，你的第二第三段长篇大论的在讲学历的重要性，是不是跑题了？和我们讨论的问题的逻辑关系在哪里？

关于我对你上一篇文章的评论，也许是我的中文水平不够，让你误解了我的意思，我愿意再尝试换一种说法说一遍。

我的主要观点是：“了解”有程度之分，不能简单地说不了解和了解。举例：我在中国呆了几十年了，也不敢说了解中国。（忘了是哪个老外专家的研究结果，说中国近代史上只有两个半人真正了解中国，一个是鲁迅一个是蒋介石半个是毛主席，不管这一家之言对不对，我是无论如何不能跟这些伟人比的了）

最后，沟通本来就是全人类面临的最大的问题之一，用不同的语言沟通更是增加了障碍。更鉴于我可怜的英语水平，我不打算再吃力地看你的英文，所以不会再回你的英文贴。请见谅。

寡无欲

Do you know what analogy is? If you can explain it clearly, I certainly can understand what relationship between the two different examples.

Logic?  Do you want to discuss with me about logic?
Anyway, I would like to have future interpretation.

The relationship between you and me is the same as the relationship between one who are studying at unviersity and the other one who do not qualify at university. Both of us want to discuss one question about the quality of education in the university.  (I wonder to know, in your view, generally speaking, who can explain more clearly about this question.)

In other words, now, I am studying a foreign country, I told you that I do not think foreigners know nothing about China, I also do not think they treat Chinese people rudely.
But you tell me(as below)  that I am not qualified to talk about this or I know nothing about this.

quote]以下是引用雁渡寒潭在2003-8-23 15:39:00的发言：
真是废话。这样下结论缺乏逻辑。
一个样本能代表什么？什么是了解？这里面有个度的概念。
你自己对英国的了解又有多少呢？即使你现在身处英国。

I definitely agree with your choices.
Keep slience is the best way for you.

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