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作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-1-31 04:44
标题: [讨论]国外住久的中国人都想要外国身份？！
一点感想：（刚到英国，我很奇怪，也一直在思索，有些人宁愿在国外做比较低得职位，但也不愿意回国发展，这是为什么？）现在，根据我的经验，我推测：主要是国外气氛，一种安全感！虽然国外生活我还没有完全熟悉，但却逐渐有安全感。一种在国内没有的感觉。
一种民主的气氛造就这种感觉。

我经常看新闻报道，了解英国的文化。我开始逐渐感受到，什么是真真的人权和民主。我在中国还确实没有这个意识。虽然国外一直说中国没有人权。但，我也许是温水中青蛙，没有感觉。
这里即使你是弱势群体，社会都很关心，爱护你。
这里稍微有点什么事情，新闻就开始大肆报道和关注，说这个不公平，那个不公平，要求政府或其它部分，做点什么。
议会的节目，经常是播出，总统与反对派别的争论，这个在中国根本就没有办法想象。

中国，好像生活得非常好。没有事情确实就没有事情，但一旦有事情，就是大事情。在中国，没有权势，没有钱，好像什么都不能做。在英国，我觉得不是，大家都比较关心弱势群体。或者说，弱势群体同样能影响很多事情。而且英国的警察特别好，有什么事情都会帮助解决。而中国，最头疼的就是与警察打交道！很多在国外呆久的中国人，都想拿身份。我想这就是最主要的原因。他们感觉在国外居住很安全，不会突然间有人把你带走，你却不知道发生了什么；不会突然间有人闯入你家里，搜查；有什么不公平的事情，你都可以抱怨。（抱怨这个机制特别有意思，如：大学稍微有点什么事情，大家都可以抱怨，写信，投票，如：更改课程的时间设置，更改 bus 的接送时间，更改一切你想更改的，只要你能争取到更多的人支持）在公共汽车上，你随便问司机问题，整个车上的人都可以等你，直到你问完。
真是人权，人人平等。
一点感受

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-1-31 8:53:10编辑过]

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-1-31 04:47
How serious problems of people's right we are facing!

Now, at this stage, we all young people who are under the same situaiton.

Come on! We have two ways

1, Changing the history for our future. (We might have the new leader for our offspring)

2, Saying nothing, just do what you always do. Because you are too samll to do anything.

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-1-31 08:53
Why so many Chinese people want to get different identities and nationalities. Why they want to have another different nationalities? Why our great chairman, Deng Xiao Ping's offsprings are all in America or other countries? It is because of safe. In China, you may live very well without any interupting. But, once something happened, you would involve in many troubles. If you have not any power and money, you can do nothing in China. But you can do whatever you want in the UK or any other European Countries, if you are a citizen. Policeman in the UK is very kind, they can do anything for you, if you want. But, in China. Policemen are Shit! 牛b 得不行，真是傻 b. I feel very sad about this, but it is true. The only one way we can do is fight for our right. How serious problem in China about Pepople's Right!!!!!

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-1-31 8:55:40编辑过]

作者: x768 时间: 2004-1-31 11:10
我在香港的时候也有这样的感觉.

香港比大陆有安全感;

香港关心弱逝群体;

.........

作者: 扬子 时间: 2004-1-31 17:47
人权应该叫 human right ，而不是 people's right 吧？

我原来喜欢辩论这类问题，后来发现对自己不熟悉的领域，无非转述一些看来的观点而已，就不说了，呵呵！

作者: 扬子 时间: 2004-1-31 17:50
错了，该用： human rights !

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-1-31 22:33

以下是引用扬子在2004-1-31 17:47:00的发言：
人权应该叫 human right ，而不是 people's right 吧？我原来喜欢辩论这类问题，后来发现对自己不熟悉的领域，无非转述一些看来的观点而已，就不说了，呵呵！

Human Rights? Oh, sorry, I made a mistake. Actually, I am not familiar with the field as well. What do you mean by "familiar"? From my opint of view, It is unnecessary to learn some specific knowledge if you want to discuss the topic. Actually, we just need to express our own opinions in terms of our own personal experience.What do you think? On the basis of your personal knowldege, you definitely have right to say something. Actually, you also weclome to say something according to others' opinions, if you read widely and could make a wise judgement.

作者: 纯粹心情 时间: 2004-2-2 20:06
蔑视你的观点，虽然某方面你说得很对，中国确是欠缺了；

可是，这些话从 Britisher口中说出可以接受，但从一个国人（也许你拿了PR OR CITIZEN，但毕竟是黄皮肤黑眼珠）口中大肆宣扬却觉得有如腥臭难闻，隐隐作呕。

在国外，你可能会随时惹上一身官司，高度人权带来的。凡事无绝对，涉及政治的东东我就不提了。

作者: oh115 时间: 2004-2-2 20:30
8楼的你可以不同意他人的观点但是你藐视他人的观点。

楼主说的话很中肯啊，事实就是这样的，你觉的不是吗？

作者: 海韵 时间: 2004-2-2 23:14
我觉得和国外相比，我们的确有不足的地方，

比如人家的素质文明就是比国人高，在国外没见着过坐车不买票的，也没见着过随地吐痰的，更没见过不守交通规则的，人家好的地方我们就是得学，这不是崇洋媚外而是我们真的需要加强

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-3 02:12
Great, It seems that we are communicating with many wise people, who may be the future elite of China.

We need to understand that under what circumstance we are, and afterwards, we could know what need us to do and what aspects need us to improve.

The first step, we need to know where a bad light is. The second step is to repair it.

Our great country and nation need us to change something.

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-3 02:23

以下是引用纯粹心情在2004-2-2 20:06:00的发言：
蔑视你的观点，虽然某方面你说得很对，中国确是欠缺了；可是，这些话从 Britisher口中说出可以接受，但从一个国人（也许你拿了PR OR CITIZEN，但毕竟是黄皮肤黑眼珠）口中大肆宣扬却觉得有如腥臭难闻，隐隐作呕。在国外，你可能会随时惹上一身官司，高度人权带来的。凡事无绝对，涉及政治的东东我就不提了。

Thank you for your honest. I believe that the words which you mentioned before, are most of people who want to show us. The words represent a lot of Chinese people's opinions. I quite understand as well. I am Chinese. Actually, I am so sorry to tell you that what troubles our country are facing. The feelings are the same as criticising our parents. I do not feel happy at all. I feel sorry and angry that why I cannot change something. Why I cannot be a leader or chairman of our country to improve something. It might not be impossible. But, it must be very difficult. My ultimate target is to wake up more people to know what on earth we need to do. What we need to improve for our bright future.

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-3 02:59

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The work which I am doing is to wake up more people that what on earth problems we need to solve. What is the real and key problem in our country?

We might think that Human Rights are nothing. We cannot use it do anything.

Actually, it is a misunderstanding.

As for Individual:

If meeting any problems, you have right to solve it. You can be treated fairly, although you are nobody.

宝马撞人 If you read the article, you may know what unfair treatment you may face.

As for nation and country:

We need to avoid the high risk, which we may meet. We cannot expect that our country will be strongest in the word because of our chairman. (Ze Dong Mao, Xiao Ping Deng) If we just reply on one person’s effort, we may face too high risk. We need to expect that our country will be a leader in the word because of our efforts.

Everyone in the forum might understand management including theories and practices

If one company is successful today, which only depends on one leader, the organization may involve in troubles tomorrow morning. And, the troubles may be fatal, because nobody supervises his behaviours. And he knows nothing alternative ways to solve the same problem. He knows nothing about better plans.

Actually, you know, Human Rights are not

From some aspects, I may be stronger than others, or even be much stronger.

But, I cannot feel safety in China. How could you have?

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-3 03:40
What is Human Rights?

What do I mean by "safety"?

If you were disability, but you still feel very comfortable, and live very happy in China.

Human Rights should not serve for those who have absoluately power, but weakers.

作者: 浩洁 时间: 2004-2-3 23:59
你觉的现在的国人相信政府吗？

相信当官的不贪吗？

看看国企吧，和中国人的劳动法吧。

我心里不相信中国，但我身在中国，只能妥协，只有这样我才能生存。

如果给我出去的机会，我想我会出去。

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-4 04:31
I can be with you.

As a result, we have three choices.

The first one, we have to make a living under the circumstance.

The second one, we may find another different place to live.

The third one. we must change the situation which we are facing so that we may live happliy and freely.

I am very happy to know our great people's choice.

作者: remingtan 时间: 2004-2-5 02:10
我正在美国，但总觉得自己是外人。

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-5 04:55
That is the ture.

Also, this is the key reason why we need to do something for our great country nation.

We need to struggle for our future.

作者: zenithhe 时间: 2004-2-5 05:19
I agree with you ,mate. I am also in Uk now. I got the similar feeling when I fist arrived in Edinburgh one year before. What stroked me much is the similar feeling you get today. One thing so impressive on my deep mind is that when I walked across the road one time，two trucks with Royal army soldiers stopped before me and let me move first. Those scottish soldiers waved hands with friendly smiles. Just at that moment, I know what human right is !what safe should be. You don't need to worry about those tiresome matters in your daily life. But I will return ,due to my families. My parents are living in China.

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作者: zenithhe 时间: 2004-2-5 05:39
initially, when me first touch the spirit of modern western human rights, we will change our minds about what the world is and how the world runs. our view of the modern society get changed as well as long as the economy booming in China lasts. later on , it will certainly re -engineer the mechanism of our political operations. it is our resposibility to start the igniting of the candle of our long journey for a democratic society.so for this reason,we all should return

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-2-5 5:42:23编辑过]

作者: 寡无欲 时间: 2004-2-6 02:26
Fantanstic!

I love your words and I am so happy that you can absluately understand what I am talking.

As you know, unfortunately, just a few people who are studying in the foregin country could really understand this. They just think that it is comfortable to live here, but they do not know what the exact reason is. What really motivates them to have the similar feelings as others who have lived here for a long time. Particularly in the UK, normally, we study just one year for our master degree, most of us even do not know what the tube mean is and what the weather in the UK is, but they have to go back to China before the Visa expires.

As a result, they know nothing about foreign culture. Also, they can do nothing in China.

Fortunately, parts of us know what the culture is. We have been thinking about this since we have come here and have landed on a different earth.

To Wake up more people!

作者: lslixiao 时间: 2004-2-9 12:53
朋友，对不起，我有不同的意见！

作者: zenithhe 时间: 2004-2-14 00:32
well, the problem should be that a practical dynamic system should be partly introduced from western society, while another part should come from chinese wisdom. If totally copy from western society, our country will be falling into trouble

作者: 清风徐来 时间: 2004-2-16 10:11
Don't give in without a fight

作者: maya007 时间: 2004-2-23 13:51
我是一个小人物，也是一个凡人，我爱我的家人，也爱我的国家。和别人父母相比，他们没有钱，没有多少智慧，没有和邻居吵过架。甚至我知道他们为自己的相貌没有给儿女们带来像样的脸面。

但我深深的爱着他们！

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