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标题: 大家是对英文过敏？还是对国际形式没有任何看法？ [打印本页]
作者: 寡无欲    时间: 2003-4-2 15:04
标题: 大家是对英文过敏？还是对国际形式没有任何看法？
I write one essay almost everyday about international affairs and my opinions  in English, hoping anyone could have a discuss with me. Several days past, nobody gives(provides) any responses. Afterward, to my surprise, somebody told me, most of them actually did not understand English.  I feel strange that everyone in the forum hope to reach success or build their career in the future, spouting about how to study all kinds of mangement theories or skills, even telling any freshmen their own working experience and how to reach the peak of career. However, they forgot to grasp the basic(fundamental) instrument of communication, English as the universal language. In other words, they would hope to communicate with others and lead their staff using finger language or body language. Such a good idea, isn't it?
  My Goodness, I consider that those who did not understant English and hoped to become the elite in the forum are more suitable for original world.(society)
作者: bob2002    时间: 2003-4-2 15:11
my english is poor,so i can not have a discuss with you in english now sorry !!
作者: 寡无欲    时间: 2003-4-2 16:37
Thanks for your frankness. Studying well an international language is not easy. However,  it is unnecessary to discuss with me in English, If you can express clearly in your mother tongue it will be welcome too. After all, we are in China. But, I still hope there is anyone having a conversation with me in English to improve our English leve and promote our communication.
作者: 胡涂    时间: 2003-4-2 16:47
寡无欲,建议您使用中文好吗,估计很多人看不懂的,你上次发的申请版主的邮件,我还找人翻译了才看懂的.
   在没有看的时候,我不好说你写的好或是不好,因为我看不懂...
作者: hjh2000tw    时间: 2003-4-2 17:31
Let's try to use English, I agree it is basic skill, esp. we are learn western management and leadership skill.
作者: 寡无欲    时间: 2003-4-2 18:37
鸟择檎而栖。 Next, I know how to do.
   Actually, I am try to tell anyone studying English well is a very important and fundamental skill for our future career.

    Everyone has different personal value system. My individual value system tell myself that I would rather making one good friend with excellent educational background and competence than making a great number of friends without any ideas.
  

   My principle is called "elite resources policy". Actually, I have carried out my plan since I was a sophomore.  I was active in the university because of my character. Firstly, I took part in dissimilar leagues to get to know all kinds of schoolmates in different majors. As you know, everybody had characters due to diverse families, childhoods, majors and interests, Next, I chose good friends with the same interest and pursuing goal from all my acquaitances. Then, I built friendly relationships with each other step by step.At last, we are good friends now. More importantly, I always belive, we should pay attention to the quality of our friends, not to the amount.In the past,  Mr.Liu Bei became an empeor only because of his several best friends. Nowadays, Human resource net has an important role to play in one's career. A group is easier to reach sccess than a single.
作者: 因是因非    时间: 2003-4-2 18:44
chat in e and promote the english level is a good idea....but you had better do it in some famous international finance or manager forom, such as Analyst or FS, not here . this will make you decrease the chi-english problem, use it and change it,you will improve it.
作者: 胡涂    时间: 2003-4-2 18:58
我认同英语是重要的,而且是工作的基本技能.
   但我不明白"大家是对英文过敏？还是对国际形式没有任何看法？",你发的那些帖是想大家学习英语还是了解国际形式.
   我不明白,如果你想让大家讨论国际形式的话,没有必要用英语的,你认为呢?
   如果要大家学习英语的话,我想应该有别的话题可以聊,不是吗?
作者: 扬子    时间: 2003-4-2 20:01
发贴回复少,不能怪读者啊!

我在另外一个帖子下面回复你了, 英语是得学, 但论坛是有主题的, 大家在交流沟通时肯定要选适合的交流工具.

想练英语的话, 个人建议你可不可以到新开的经理人修炼区发贴召集想练英语的朋友, 约好一起用英语练写也好, 用家园的聊天室练对话也好, 都不错啊!
作者: redmoon    时间: 2003-4-3 13:58
Dear 寡无欲,
I am very agree with you that English is a very fundamental skill for our manager or a manager in the future.and I am also believe that we must make more friends in order to realize our life goal.

But I am very sorry to say that I can't agree with your bad attitude to others.I think as a bright man,he will never walk with other in such a bad shrilly attitude.

You had mentioned 刘备 in your words,I think that your must know the story of him,but do you understand his success and his personality clearly?? Everyone knows that his success was derived from his good personality better than his ability.and the soul of his successful personality is that he can tolerate with others very well.(compare to 曹操.)

Yes,we must pay more attention to the quality of our friends better than to the amount of it,but I wanna remind you that we must learn how to estimate our friends or a person at first,Otherwise, maybe we can't get the best answer.

Just any personal opinion,for your reference,welcome to chat with me in other ways or in other places,but not the forum of our 管理漫谈.
作者: redmoon    时间: 2003-4-3 14:04
sorry, there is a mistakes.
I just want to say about this question,welcome more communication with me in other ways and other places, not mean that I dont like to discuss other question in chinese with 寡无欲 in 管理漫谈,.
报歉,写得太快了, 回头一读才发现太容易误解了,特此解释一下.
作者: leitl    时间: 2003-4-3 16:37
english is important,but peple who come here is not aim to improve his english level,
let's discuss in english at other place,ok?
i really want to improve my english level.
作者: redmoon    时间: 2003-4-3 19:39
楼上批评得极是,在这里我们还是不要忘了本版块的初衷.
多谢各位体谅!
作者: ztxu2k    时间: 2003-4-8 11:29
In my opinion, doing right things by right method in right place is very essential for everyone.

I quite understand the feeling of Mr. Guawuyu. I used to encounter the similar case 2 years ago. At that time, I was chating with people in English on Sina website. many people questioned me like that:
"You are a Chinese, why don't you speak Chinese?"  
"Are you a foreigner?"
some people even told me" I don't want to chat with you if you don't speak Chinese".
In many people's eyes, I am a strange person. I told them "I type Chinese very slowly, so I prefer to type English directly". Of course, this is just a excuse.

After that, I changed my mind of using English quite a lot. I learned that each one have their own purpose to do some things, we needn't impose our purpose to others. I became more considerate.

I don't want to ask anyone to change his idea, I just express some of my personal attitude for your reference.
作者: ztxu2k    时间: 2003-4-8 11:38
Different attitude toward life lead to different result. this is why we can see many outstanding people in the world as well as huge of common person.
作者: ip    时间: 2003-4-11 11:02
to 寡无欲

     Thank you fou you advist. I know that English is very inportant for us because the knowledge are net  write in Chinese all. Foe more knowledge, we should know more language just include English.

     My english is poor, so I want get more help from your. thank you !


                                  Keen Liu
作者: dluming    时间: 2003-4-12 10:10
To Single no wish:
    You have a good idea,but you did a bad work.Look,hutu,yangzi and redmoon all are angry as you words.
    I agree with your words that are important in our furture,But not agree with you words that are important to make friends.
   We must do more exercise in english.
   We must make more firends but not only person who like english.
   Change a place talk English,Ok?
作者: dluming    时间: 2003-4-12 10:31
以下是引用寡无欲在4/2/2003 6:37:06 PM的发言：
鸟择檎而栖。 Next, I know how to do.
    Actually, I am try to tell anyone studying English well is a very important and fundamental skill for our future career.

     Everyone has different personal value system. My individual value system tell myself that I would rather making one good friend with excellent educational background and competence than making a great number of friends without any ideas.
   

    My principle is called "elite resources policy". Actually, I have carried out my plan since I was a sophomore.  I was active in the university because of my character. Firstly, I took part in dissimilar leagues to get to know all kinds of schoolmates in different majors. As you know, everybody had characters due to diverse families, childhoods, majors and interests, Next, I chose good friends with the same interest and pursuing goal from all my acquaitances. Then, I built friendly relationships with each other step by step.At last, we are good friends now. More importantly, I always belive, we should pay attention to the quality of our friends, not to the amount.In the past,  Mr.Liu Bei became an empeor only because of his several best friends. Nowadays, Human resource net has an important role to play in one's career. A group is easier to reach sccess than a single.





寡无欲兄的精英交友政策，是值得我们借鉴的。但也是值得我们批判的。
这个世界不是仅仅由精英人物组成的，而导致每一项事物成功的，绝不是精英人才
精英人才只能提出高于普通的想法和作法，真正执行的是那些普通人。
而且很明显，寡兄的观点中明显的流露出对大众的轻视，从而也会导致忽视。
进而失去对大众的尊重。
无论是什么样的交友政策，失去对他人的尊重，将会使自己处于孤立的状态。
胡涂兄为什么受到大家的爱戴？因为他不仅无私奉献，更因为他尊重论坛里的每
一位家人！
作者: vincentbj    时间: 2003-4-17 16:42
my idea is you'd better use Chinese and English at same time . So most of people here can discuss with you.
they can feel free to share the idea with you in Chinese or English.



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